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Belmont 78, Massachusetts 






TAf Council, 
N.- E. Adamson, Jr. 
Thomas' j. ;Anderson 
T. Coleman Andrews 
Spruuxe Bradbn 
Laurence E. Bunker 
F. Gano. Chance 
Stillitell J. .Conner 
Ralph E. Davis 
S. M. Draskoyich 
Ret. Richard 
Wm. J. Gredb* 
A. G. Heinsohn, Jr.* 
- Fred C Koch* 
Alfred Kohlbergt 
Frank E. Masland, Jr. 

" , N. Floyd McGowin 
W. B. McMillan 
Revilo P. Oliver 
Cola G. Parker 
M. T. Phelps 
Louis Ruthenburg 
J. Nelson Shepherd 
James Simpson, Jr.* 
Robert W: Stoddard* 

■ Charles B. Stone, III 
Paul H. Talbert 

•Executive Committee 

Mr. Verne P. Kaub 
President, Ameriean 

r Dear Verne: 

Council of 

i Laymen 

Although you would never believe it from the time it has taken 
roe to send any reply, I still very much appreciate both. your 
letters of Ivlarch 14 and March 27, and the various enclosures. 
The truth is that, having been in California again for about a 
week during the middle of the month, and then overwhelmed 
with work during the short time I have been here, just tonight 
have I even come to either of your letters and read them for the 
first time. 

One thing that makes you such a good man, and great friend, 
Verne, is that once your loyalty as a friend has been given 
and established, you do not shake easily; and the second is 
you have enough sense, and have had enough experience, to 
realize that there may be reasons or explanations behind many 
occurrences with which you are not familiar. 

With regard first, therefore, to your second letter, and the 
information that The John Birch Society is out to wreck' the 
meetings of Gordon Winrod. I have seen no form letter from 
Winrod concerning this matter, or in fact concerning any other 
matter for many months, and this is all absolute news to me. 
I have no slightest idea to what he is referring, and if there is 
any basis for his complairtat all, it is certainly due to some 
• local developments, not directed from Belmont, and not having 
our approval. I probably do not or would not agree with Gordon 
Winrod in some of his views, if I knew them at all; but all I ' ? 
know about Winrod from what I have actually seen has been 
through the pages of AMERICAN MERCURY since his group 
took it over. And while, there again, there are some things 
about the magazine with which I would not agree, I certainly 
would not approve of, nor even countenance, any of our people 
attacking either Winrod or the magazine. So long as he is 
fighting the Communists and preaching Christianity* he is oh 
our side; arid while we might find him going off on tangents; or 
too far off on tangents, with which we did noVagree,^ itls cer- 
tainly no business 



ours to plunge in and try to 



to tMiik -dr how to run his affairs. Doing that, frankly -- 

ahd^oE for quotation.-- is- more in line with Bill Buckley's r _ . . 

mission in life. It is not ours>< I repeat over and over,' and meant it, that " ' 
we are - fighting the Communists,^ and nobody else. 

I am dictating this letter late at.night, with nobody in th^Res exarch Depart- 
ment or even in the" general office who would be able to find for. me any such 
form letter which may have come to my attention. But tomorrow I shall 
have somebody look up to see if the letter was sent to us and if not write 
Winrod for a copy. I want to find out just what has been going on. If this, 
is a matter^of some of our local members in some local situation, doing 
what they honestly believe, without any intention or ppnrpose except to protect 
themselves from involvement in beliefs or attitudes which they do not hold, 
then we may not feel that we may step into it at all. But if it goes any fur- 
ther than^that, we shall certainly try to see that Winrod has no reason to 
feel that The John Birch Society -- rather than some local members entirely 
on their own --is taking any position of opposition to him in any way. 



Now, coming back to your earlier letter, of March 14. Although yQ4J 53 ?==Hs*»-«s e3! B 
say you have never discussed the matter with me, actually you had made . 
me very much aware of the fact that we were in some degree of disagree- 
ment with regard to the "Jewish question. " *nd I appreciated very much 
the. fact that you were willing to go along in full support of myself and my 
activities, despite this disagreement. But not until now had I known that 
you had really misunderstood our own position as much as appears from ' 
your letter. 

For, inthe first place, Verne, I am probably as anti- Zionist as you are. 
And while I do not go out of my way -to be arguing or shouting the matter, 
because I think there are so many more immediate and important battles 
to be fought, I never avoid the question when it comes up. In fact, I be- 
lieve you will find right in the Blue Book that among the things on which ' 
I disagreed most heartily with Bob Taft was his support of aid to Israel 
by our government. 

I probably do disagree with you somewhat in our attitude towards the Jews 
in general. For I feel that the ordinary Jewish citizen in America has been 
under more pressure, and more bamboozled, to go along with the powerful 
Zionist minority, than have the Methodists, for instance, by the forces 
headed by Bishop Oxnam and his ilk; and that, considering the greater t 
pressures, not too much larger a percentage of the Jews have followed 
this ignominious road than have the percentage of Methodists who swallow 
the teachings of Biishop Oxnam and are guided by him. But with regard to' 
Zionism you and I do not differ at all, except possibly in our,viewsias to • 

Also, as you can well imagine, from your knowledge of how the ADL works, 
I have been under plenty of attacks^ some of them not only extensive but 
extremely vicious, because of the iact that Merwin Hart ijS^a Chapter Leade 
of The John Birch Society and is now known to be one of my strongest sup- 
porters; and because some others among our leading people are accused, 
however unjustly, of "anti-Semitism. « And,, as you further know or can 
surmise, I hav*e simply always ignored these unfair attacks, and I have 
never even written or talked to Merwin Hart about them. 

With regard to the article in the bulletin for last April, I thought it was 
better, once and for all, to put down as honestly as I could, what I really 
believed with regard to "the Jewish question. " And I did not go into 
Zionism, as distinguished from Judaism as a religion, which could be 
practiced in entire sincerity by perfectly good American Jewish patriots, 
because I thought it would, entirely unnecessarily, complicate the issue 
and what I was trying to say. . 

Actually, and I am sorry to say, we do not have too many J«ws in The 
John Birch Society.' This is partly because a smaller percentage of the 
Jewish people in America as a whole are true conservatives, than of the 
total population. But it is even more because of the greater pressures 
and dirtier pressures, which are' put on them, against standing up for 
what they believe. Nevertheless, we do have one Volunteer Coordinator, 
and several Chapter Leaders, and of course a larger number of members, 
Who are Jews; and they are among the most determined, courageous, dedi- 
cated, and unshakable members in the whole Society. But when you get 
into the Zionist picture, I repeat that 'you cannot think any less of the 
whole government of Israel, or of the whole Zionist conspiracy than I do; 
except that I think its relative importance in the total importance in the 
whole picture has greatly decreased over the past three decades. Some 
day, if and when we have a chance to sit down and talk about the matter, 
I should be glad to exchange views with you, or at least give you mine, as 
to what has really taken place since around 1905, when I think the Zionist 
conspiracy --aid from then on for perhaps two decades was practically 
the father of the International Communist Conspiracy. Today I personally 
think that the relationship is almost exactly reversed, and that the child 
has now so far outgrown the parent in size and strength and importance 
that the parent is in a relatively minor position. But this does not make 
Golda Meir. or Ben-Gurion or any of their extremist followers in .this 
country any less culpable. 

Going to other matters, Verrie, I know nothing of the correspondence 
between Mrs. Williams, of Arlington, Virginia, and this office, in con- 
nlcTion with her resignation,. I'll look it up and. see what the trouble was, 

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There is a greafrdeal more I should like to .write, Verne, but I am .just 
too' overwhelmed;. There are, as usual, huge piles Of urgent correspon 
' in f-r.o_n't of me.fet I have not even. read. An&with all of the other work I 
have -to do bedsides, during the next few days, I must leave Monday lifter - 

noon for ten days of speaking engagements again in Mid 
So let me sign off by simply thanking you once- more for all of your patience 
and understanding and loyal friendship; and send you, with my many thanks, 
and as always, my kindest r< 



Robert Welch